Perpetual protest


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“Essence of lies, and quintessence of blasphemy, as the religion of Rome IS… it nevertheless fascinates a certain order of Protestants, of whom we fear it may be truly said that ‘they have received a strong delusion to believe a lie, that they may be damned.’ Seeing that it is so, it becomes all who would preserve their fellow-immortals from destruction to be plain and earnest in their warnings. Not in a party-spirit, but for truth’s sake, our Protestantism must protest perpetually.” 

C.H. Spurgeon, The Sword and the Trowel, January 1873

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62 thoughts on “Perpetual protest

    • How can we? I ask this because I have a great nephew~he is a triplett~he will have possible surgery on his throat~he is a year old. I would like to pray with his mom but she is a staunch practicing catholic…I am trying to find scripture that says it is ok. All that I keep thinking of is scriptures about being like minded… If I can not I would like to ask you or any one else that reads this to pray for Baby Cooper. ❤

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      • Elizabeth, I need help with this question. Perhaps you and I can find an answer from the former Catholic Mike Gendron’s article on whether there are Christians in the Catholic church and we can take it from there, and you and other Christians, including me, can pray for Baby Cooper:

        ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?

        “Yes, but the likelihood of any born-again Christian remaining in the Catholic Church long term is slim. Upon justification, the Holy Spirit begins the process of sanctification in every new believer. This will ultimately lead a believer out of a false church and to worship God in Spirit and truth (John 4:24). It is the commission of every Bible-believing Christian to call victims of deception to freedom in Christ by the truth of His Word (John 8:31-32).

        “If a Catholic says he is truly born-again, but refuses to leave his false church, we must treat him as an unbeliever. By their own profession and expression of faith, they are choosing to continue practicing the sin of idolatry. Catholics believe that the Eucharist is the true body and blood [and soul and Divinity] of Jesus Christ and must be worshipped. Prayers and veneration are regularly offered to Mary and saints. Relics of past saints are idolized in the church, in fact, every altar in Roman Catholic churches contain a relic (a bone fragment or some body part) of a martyr or saint. This practice of idolatry can be fatal because the Bible clearly states that those who practice idolatry will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (1 Cor. 6:9-10). Catholics must flee from idolatry to be saved (1 Cor. 10:14). May God remove the veil of blindness that covers every unbeliever’s heart when they turn to the true Christ (2 Cor. 3:16).”

        http://www.pro-gospel.org/site/blogview2.asp?sec_id=180014816&forum_id=180003854&message_id=180028187&topic_id=180017096

        2 Corinthians 6
        14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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    • Why not, and especially if we know they are trapped in a false religious system? At the same time there ahould be a lot of praying FOR them behind the praying WITH them. Praying with them (and any unbeliever, actually) opens an entranceway for the message of the true Gospel. 2 cents from an old guy.

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  1. I can not go into their building and worship with them. I do not worship or “eat” and “drink” their “Jesus” anymore. I do not have the same Jesus. That is why I asked about praying with one that practices catholicism…can we pray with a witch? A muslim? An Indian? If I lead the prayer then is it ok? I would be praying to the ONE TRUE GOD…I do not want to join them in their “prayer” to their “god”….

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    • Dear Patrick, I was brought out of the practice of catholicism beginning with the conviction of God’s Holy Spirit of “Marian worship”. So it would not be beneficial to you for me to “comment”. With all my heart, Patrick, In Jesus name, I pray that you too, may be blessed by that same conviction. ❤

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      • Oh, perhaps it would benefit me. These articles are not only for Catholics, but also non-Catholics. Sometime soon I will have an article out on the misunderstandings non-Catholics have towards Mary, and their false accusations of her as a goddess, or being worshipped. Thank you anyway. Have a blessed day.

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        • Dear Patrick~ When the Holy Spirit convicts you, you will never look at Catholicism or any religion and it’s practices the same. It’s all about Jesus! HALLELUJAH! No “Mary” and no bondage to what a man has conjured up in their corrupt spirit and beguiled many a man with. Said with love that ONLY a GREAT GOD through the simplicity through Jesus Christ alone can give one to share when the veil is dropped from their eyes and heart ❤
          2 Corinthians 11:3
          “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

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          • I’m sorry that I disagree, but Mary does have a place in a Christian’s life. She is the Mother of God, and if we are a child of God, she is the spiritual mother of us all. Christians need to honor Mary as Jesus did, for we are told to give honor where honor is due. (Romans 13:7)

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          • I don’t understand the Protestant’s/non-Catholic’s dislike of Mary. She is not “just another woman”, but rather the great mother of God. No one else can boast to that. She is to be honored for her great role in salvation history.

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            • Patrick, may I comment? It isn’t correct to call Mary the Mother of God (Theotokos) but the Mother of Jesus. God does not and cannot have a mother for He is from all eternity, that is, He is self-existent. In the early Christological controversies and councils they gave Mary this title in order to protect the truth of Christ’s Deity, but calling her Theotokos is not needed and misleading. Yes, we love her but no we do not pray to her or wrongly ascribe to her the titles of Co-Redemptorix or Co-Mediatrix since this would be giving her glory and the Lord will not share His glory with another.

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              • No, it is not incorrect to call her as such. Jesus is God. Mary is Jesus’ mother. That makes her the mother of God. Jesus Christ chose to enter time and become the God-man who would redeem the human race. Theotokos literally translates to “The God-bearer”. And Mary bore God. Saying that Mary is the Mother of God is not saying that she is the Mother of the Trinity, or that she is older than God. But, she is the Mother of Jesus Christ, God, the second person of the Blessed Trinity. Her being His Mother does not mean his is not self-existent. Jesus entered into time. He chose to become man, and since that choice, he has two natures: the nature of God, and the nature of man, tied 0together as one person. Mary is the mother of this person, and this person is God. This makes her the Mother of God. It is even mentioned in Scripture, when Elizabeth exclaims:

                “Who am I that the mother of my Lord
                should come to me?” –Luke 1:43

                The “Lord” is God. Mary is his mother. That makes her the Mother of God. Fairly simple. Thanks for commenting!

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                • Patrick, it isn’t simple. The bishops of the early church, East and West, met in council together at Ephesus in 431 A.D. to determine whether Mary could indeed be called ‘Theotokos’ (the Mother of God), but after the council concluded there was still disagreement among them, and it was Emperor Theodosius II who made the decision in favor of ‘Theotokos’. These things are not so simple as people think.

                  You’ve referenced more from the Gospel of Luke. Here are important passages from it, Matthew and Mark, which show that the Lord Jesus Christ didn’t take opportunities to exalt His mother in the way that Rome has done. All quotes are taken from a Catholic version of the Bible, The New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE) © 2010, 1991, 1986, 1970 Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, Inc., Washington, DC.

                  Luke 11
                  27 While he was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed.” 28 He replied, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

                  Luke 8:19-21
                  19 Then his mother and his brothers came to him but were unable to join him because of the crowd. 20 He was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside and they wish to see you.” 21 He said to them in reply, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and act on it.”

                  Matthew 12
                  The True Family of Jesus. (Patrick, the NABRE has used this heading for this passage, not I.) 46 While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him. 47 [Someone told him, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, asking to speak with you.”] 48 But he said in reply to the one who told him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

                  Mark 3
                  Jesus and His Family. (Their passage heading, not mine) 31 His mother and his brothers arrived. Standing outside they sent word to him and called him. 32 A crowd seated around him told him, “Your mother and your brothers [and your sisters] are outside asking for you.” 33 But he said to them in reply, “Who are my mother and [my] brothers?” 34 And looking around at those seated in the circle he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 35 [For] whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother.”

                  I bring these passages about this event in the Lord’s earthly life to you to demonstrate that while He honored His mother, and cared for her, he did not lay the foundation for Roman Catholicism’s doctrines about her: her preeminence, her sinlessness, or their ‘partnership’ in salvation. He told us to come to HIM, not to His mother as a Mediatrix of All Graces. So it is safe to stay with what Jesus Himself taught about His mother, and what the apostles reported of her. If Mary was to be given such a high place, this would be made clear in the great teaching Epistles, but it is not found there.

                  Thank you for commenting!

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                • Your logic is not as sound as it seems. Using this same logic, why is the Blessed Trinity not deeply explained in Scripture? No where does the Bible say explicitly, “The Holy Spirit is God”. And yet Christians believe in a Triune God. Perhaps you should dive deeper into this Sola Scriptura article. Not everything is IN the Bible. The Bible is by no mean the sole teacher of Christianity.

                  The citations you listed by no means determine that Mary is not to be honored highly. Jesus was making a statement in Luke 11 that everyone who hears the word of God and keeps it is blessed. Did Mary not do this? She literally kept the Word of God — Jesus Christ. None of these discount Mary’s special motherhood. Mary’s high place is made throughout the bible, in the Protoevangelium, The prophesy of Isaias, in the angel Gabriel’s greeting “Hail, full of grace”, and many others, not to mention John’s vision of The Woman of the Apocalypse (Mary), crowned with stars, giving birth to the child who will rule with an iron rod (Christ).

                  There are reasonable explanations to all of the Catholic Church’s doctrines, including those of Marian subjects.

                  Again, your argument appears to be full of holes logically, because slipping different subjects into the same logic does not make sense, the Trinity for instance. Remember, not all Christian teaching is in the Bible.

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                • Patrick, everything we need for faith and life is found in the Word of God in some form, the Trinity and salvation by grace through faith especially. But the Marian doctrines which the Church of Rome teaches cannot be found. Here is the Protoevangelium in different versions, Catholic and Evangelical. An honest Christian will see that this first announcement of the Gospel must be about Jesus Christ, not Mary (Douay) or us ((NABRE version):

                  Genesis 3:15 Douay-Rheim versions 1899 American Edition (DRA)
                  15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

                  Genesis 3:15 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
                  15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
                  and between your offspring and hers;
                  They will strike at your head,
                  while you strike at their heel.

                  Genesis 3:15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
                  15 I will also put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. He shall break thine head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

                  Genesis 3:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
                  15 And I will put enmity
                  Between you and the woman,
                  And between your seed and her Seed;
                  He shall bruise your head,
                  And you shall bruise His heel.”

                  The first announcement of the Good News of Jesus Christ MUST be about HIM!

                  About the woman of Revelation 12 who is clothed with the sun and the moon. It cannot be Mary because the events recorded in the rest of this passage are not intelligible in this light. The woman is believing Israel (and the believing Gentiles grafted in) through whom Messiah came. Much of the imagery comes from Joseph’s dream and the woman is based upon Israel being YHWH’s covenant wife. I’ve posted the whole chapter because the woman – this great sign – must be understood in context.

                  Revelation 12 New King James Version (NKJV)

                  The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon

                  12 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

                  3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

                  Satan Thrown Out of Heaven

                  7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

                  10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

                  The Woman Persecuted

                  13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

                  Patrick, can we end this discussion with this reply of mine? This is my blog where I do my best to defend the Faith. Your blog is your platform to promote your Roman Catholic views.

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