If you don’t mind, I’ve been thinking about Christmas again


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Brothers and sisters, it is my conviction that the real “Christmas War” isn’t a conflict between the Church and the world but within the Church, that is, between us, and for crucial reasons. 

The following excerpt is from:

IS THE KEEPING OF CHRISTMAS PLEASING TO THE LORD?

by Robert D. Gracey (1935)

Feileadh Mor


“…My own suspicion is that Christmas-keeping was a device of Satan – who according to 2 Corinthians 11:14 is transformed into an angel of light with a view to creating a place where Christian and unconverted might eventually meet on common ground in the Name of the Lord Jesus. If my suspicion is correct, Satan’s plan would seem to have proved to be one of his masterpieces, for Christmas calls supreme attention to the birth of Jesus whereas it is unmistakably evident from the Scriptures that God would have us constantly engaged with the efficacy of His atoning death.

“Commemorating the Lord’s death involves reproach, which is true Christian ground. Heb. 13:13. Commemorating a day which is generally accepted as His birthday involves no reproach whatever; on the contrary, to fail to keep it is sure to cause misunderstanding and reproach.

“Evidently, therefore, not to keep the Day as the masses do is consistent for those who ‘esteem the reproach of Christ’, Heb. 11:26.”

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41 thoughts on “If you don’t mind, I’ve been thinking about Christmas again

  1. Maria, I must confess that I take a different view. Yes I acknowledge the Pagan origins of the date, but the fact that we commemorate Christ’s birth on this date is proof of the remarkable impact of Christianity upon the world. I prefer Spurgeon’s view that Christmas provides the Church with the perfect opportunity to focus upon Christ. Yes, the efficacy of the sufferings is paramount but, he suffered in a human body, and the incarnation is fundamental to that. For me the greatest challenge facing the Church is the removing of Christ from Christmas. The busyness, the spending and the pressure has created a materialistic fest with little spiritual input. I believe the Church should call people to a simpler Christian with a focus upon love, family, friendship and above all Christ, the greatest gift.

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    • 20 years before Spurgeon passed he discovered that X mass was not biblical but a pagan/papist tradition of men that God’s children ought to shun. He never did a Christ Mass sermon after that until his death. Besides, let all men be liars but God be true. We cannot face God at the judgement and claim that we obeyed His Word in keeping ourselves from learning the ways of the heathen and doing as they do in worship of Him. The modern day pagans are the ones Christians are imitating in their ungodly traditions of men. You cannot look at how the heathen Wiccans celebrate their Yule and go before God and say that you kept yourself from all appearances of evil.You cannot sit at the Lord’s table and the table of demons at the same time. Impossible! As Matthew Henry said, if the Lord gets but half of you He has none of you, and if the devil gets but half of you he has all of you. Its a very serious matter in light of God’s commands. Christians’ incorporation of pagan traditions is not unlike what the Lord judged Israel for because of their syncretic worship of Him. Has God changed His mind in this? I can’t find it anywhere in all of Scriptures. We just don’t have the liberty to christianize that which has a demonic foundation.We are to keep Christ holy before others and that is not done when His birthday is celebrated on the same day/in the same season as all the false gods who are no gods. No wonder our Lord and Savior is considered just another pagan god…it makes me cry within to see His children doing that to His Son let alone practicing pagan iniquities in His holy Name…

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      • Hi Sherry, you are very severe and I understand your arguments. But I do not agree that to celebrate Christmas is to engage in demoniac activity. Sometimes in debates like this we believers are guilty of demonizing each other instead of seeking to understand our differences. I believe Christmas falls under the category of the issues that we are at liberty to disagree. Perhaps I should have said nothing because Maria had a perfect right to make her comment also. I always try to be charitable not divisive. Your point about Spurgeon interests me though. Where did you read that he changed his views? I know the later sermons do not have Christmas messages but that did not mean he did not preach Christmas messages as not all his sermons were printed. Also in the winter he was often away from his pulpit due to his failing health. I will leave it there. God Bless. Peter

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        • No more severe than God when He judged Israel for disobeying Him in not worshiping Him in the same manner as the heathen do. Can we disobey God’s Word and call it worship? Here is the Spurgeon reference: https://biblicalconnection.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/spurgeon-did-he-celebrate-christmas/

          and he was quite severe when he said: “We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority.” ~Charles Spurgeon, Sermon on Dec. 24, 1871
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          “When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide, and other Popish festivals was ever instituted by a divine statute, we also will attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men, as to observe the ordinances of the Lord. We ask concerning every rite and rubric, ‘Is this a law of the God of Jacob?’ and if it be not clearly so, it is of no authority with us, who walk in Christian liberty.” ~from Charles Spurgeon’s Treasury of David on Psalm 81:4

          Again, we have no liberty to christianize that which is of a demonic foundation. No apostle, knowing what severe judgement the Israelites faced, would suggest such an evil be done by God’s children. Acts 19:19-that would be the time for someone to speak up and say, Don’t burn those books! We can christianize them!” Look at how the Wiccans celebrate Yule and you cannot face God and say you kept from even the appearances of evil. Nor will you say you didn’t know better…

          Spoken with love for my Beloved and yours. My heart grieves to see the lover of my soul brought down to the same level as all the other false gods by doing that which God, our Father says not to do.

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          • Sherry,Sherry; please be careful with your quotes – the position of Spurgeon is identical with the opinion of many non-conformists such as myself. Christmas Day is not a holy day. The New Testament Sabbath is the only day sanctioned as a holy day set aside for a peculiar purpose. But the fact that we have this season in both the religious and secular calendar gives us a opportunity to rejoice in the birth of Christ. In the same sermon you quoted – preached on 24th December 1871 – sermon no 1026 Spurgeon went on to say this:

            “Nevertheless since the current of men’s thoughts is led this way just now, and I see no evil in the current itself, I shall launch the bark of our discourse upon that stream, and make use of the fact, which I shall neither justify nor condemn, by leading your thoughts in the same direction. Since it is lawful, and even laudable, to meditate upon the incarnation of our Lord upon any day of the year, it cannot be in the power of other men’s superstitions to render such such a meditation improper for to-day. Regarding not the the day, let us, nevertheless, give God thanks for the gift of his dear Son.”

            Taking these quotes together, as we must, Spurgeon did not change his views. On the one hand he did not see the season as a sanctified time but yet he saw the benefit of making use of the season to direct men’s thoughts to Christ.

            Your point about devils reminds me of the debates in Corinth and Rome about eating meat and even esteeming one day above another. Perhaps sister we all should take a step backward and think about the Word of God rather than elevating and arguing over the practice of a dead Victorian preacher:

            Romans 14:10-17
            “But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
            For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
            So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
            Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
            I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
            But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
            Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
            For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”

            God Bless.

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            • It’s only right that we should keep the whole quote in mind, but may I interject a thought, Pastor MacIntyre? Rather than speak of Pastor Spurgeon as a preacher who is dead, we should say this about him and others, such as, Samuel Rutherford, for example,
              Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.

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              • Yes, you are quite right, perhaps I did come across somewhat disrespectful. I was frustrated by a partial quote and by an effort to demonstrate that CH Spurgeon changed his views on Christmas, which I fear has little historical substance. In the final analysis neither he nor the Puritans are the final arbiter and we must satisfy our own consciences before the Lord. Maria, I have no difficulty with a Christian who rejects Christmas in all its forms out of conviction. I am concerned, however by a lack of tolerance towards those who take a different approach. I am not here speaking of the Catholic approach but of sincere believers who use the season as a time to meditate upon the incarnation and evangelise their neighbours. In my culture, as in yours perhaps, this season has a special family meaning when people get together sometimes in large gatherings. From a Christian perspective and in the right context this is wholesome. Yes, I give Christmas its ancient title but I also give the days of the week their title also but that does me make me a worshipper of Roman deities. From both perspectives we can allow this issue to cause unnecessary strife and division where the outcome is sad and tragic. I find your comments helpful and constructive however. In whatever form the holiday is spent in your life, I wish you every happiness and blessing, sister.

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                • Thank you for your blessing, Pastor! The actual day should be quiet unless the Lord has something else in mind. It is the time that leads up to this day that are difficult. For commercial reasons, and because of the “war on Christmas,” Christmas is everywhere for about two months. A good thing personally is that, although I haven’t seen my side of the family for about twenty years, now that we can make use of Live Messenger we have a date on that day for a video chat with my cousins’ family because they will be gathered in one place.

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            • Spurgeon did change his views. Like I said, however, Let God be true and all men liars. You are in error but that is between you and God. You don’t want correction from His Word because you love X Mass. May God remove the veil that you may know His estimation of christianizing the demonic. No apostle, as I’ve said, would ever tell Christians they have liberty to do that which Israel received God’s severe judgement for. You twist scriptures, too. Paul was talking of the Jewish feasts, not the evil pagan ones. Acts 19:19 shows that the converts from paganism to Christianity knew better than the vast majority of Christians today. You worship God in the very fashion of the pagan Wiccans-you dsobey God’s Word in this. I grieve seeing my brothers and sisters in Christ going off in error and there is nothing I can do or say in Christ’s love and from God’s holy Word to persuade those clinging to their idol. But I have prayer and faith that God will call His own to “come out from among them.” If you truly love truth and are His child, you will come out from among them…eventually…

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              • Thank you Sherry. Can I ask you some questions.
                1: Are you opposed to singing hymns which relate to Christ’s birth at this season?
                2: Are you opposed to Pastors preaching on Incarnation themes.
                3: Do you enjoy family get togethers on 25th December?
                4: Do you give or receive gifts at this time?
                5: I will concede that in Romans Paul was speaking of Jewish festivals. Nevertheless the views against these days were very strong. In fact they were made obsolete by the Atonement. Yet Paul insisted on tolerance. As he did when some believers in Corinth argued that to go to the Shambles and eat meat offered to idols was to engage with demons. Now that sounds like your opinion of believers who celebrate Christmas? Did Paul not urge tolerance?

                God bless you sister. We agree on more than we will ever disagree on.

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                • 1) No, I am not opposed to singing hymns of His birth in this season or any other but let there be discernment-many of these songs are for Yuletide-the Wiccan “holy” day and not for its imitation which Christians have adopted calling it Christ Mass. Not only that, care needs to be taken that the baby Jesus is not made an idol, like Christians do this time of year. I love to sing, “Thank You, oh my Father, for giving us your Son…”It goes beyond that babe lying in the manger…

                  2) Not opposed to pastors preaching on incarnation themes-just don’t call it the “Christmas Story.” Because it isn’t. That blasphemous story began with Pope Gregory.

                  3) No, I do not get together with family on December 25th and they know why. I also have told everyone who has sent me a card to please stop since, as a Christian, i do not celebrate that pagan “holy” day. Its a witness for the truth of God’s Word.

                  4) No, I do not give or receive gifts at this time. I hate what God hates so why would I want to compromise? I’m not greedy for gain in the least bit, the Lord help me to stay that way.

                  5) Jesus Christ did not atone for anything of a demonic foundation. Find in Scripture where God said we can incorporate demonic practices and rituals meant for the false messiah of the pagans and I will concede that God has approved of the Christ Mass (which is actually the celebration of His death-Mass-and a horrible shame for putting “merry” in front of it!) as well as Easter, Lent, Saints’ days, etc.

                  Simply put, these things are of Christo-paganism and of that it is a demonic admixture which God hates.

                  “If God gets but half of you, He has none of you; if satan gets but half of you, he has all of you.” Matthew Henry

                  You cannot sit at the table of demons and at the table of the Lord. – 1Corinthians 10:21-22

                  Now, why would Paul encourage tolerance of that which is evil in God’s sight??? I find tolerance preached by Paul only among Christians where maturity and immaturity are concerned. No. God created those meats (and days and planets with pagan names) so they can be eaten with thanksgiving unless it offends a weaker brother. There is nothing about the Christ mass that God created or even ordained for His children to observe. Nothing of pagan feasts and rituals pointed to the coming Messiah as the Jewish feasts did. It is Cain worship and God hates it.

                  Please do your research and do it with a heart’s desire to know the truth of what pleases God. It is no small matter. The Christ of Christ Mass is NOT the Christ of the Bible-it is the anti-christ of imitation and error. May the Holy Spirit break the chains of enchantment of this unholy season off of His children. amen~

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              • HI Sherry, My studies that I am posting on the Epistle to the Romans has come to the 14th Chapter and the subject of division among Christians. I know you insist that the controversy over Christmas has no relevance in Paul’s treatment of Christian Liberty to the Roman and indeed the Corinthian Christians. I beg to differ. Take a read through the study. It is not in any way about Christmas but is deals with those matters where we may differ; which are not fundamental to faith. God bless you, sister.
                https://apmci.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/healing-the-wound-of-division-romans-part-68/

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                • Thank you, Brother. I will read through it. Have you researched why, specifically, that Romans 14 does not give liberty to baptize in Jesus’ name that which is demonic, of which X Mass comes from, such as Pope Gregory did ages ago? Have you researched why it is that no apostle celebrated Christ’s birth, and not even Jesus Himself did? Perhaps, instead of researching and trying to justify celebrating this christo-pagan man-made “holy” day Christians ought to find out why God would not want us to do so. God bless you, too.

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    • Pastor MacIntyre, thank you for your thoughtful view of this and there is much in what you have said that is appealing. However. I respectfully disagree. Christmas will always be the Christ Mass, just as the popes who celebrate it before the entire world will be, according to God’s Word and history, Antichrist seated in the temple of God.

      What did the teachers given to the Church in the Second Reformation have to say about manmade holy days?

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  2. As Eliza said, this “holy” day will help usher in the one-world religion-the combining of Pagan humanism, Roman Catholicism. Protestantism and evangelicalism. Its idolatry at its finest.

    And Christians are going about saying, Merry death of Christ! Blasphemy! Its not at all merry!

    Have a blessed day, Maria! This written in your post has encouraged me:
    “Evidently, therefore, not to keep the Day as the masses do is consistent for those who ‘esteem the reproach of Christ’, Heb. 11:26.” It also reminded me that many so-called Christians think that the “Mass” of Christ Mass is the same mass used in the above statement…a lot of people…{smh}

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    • Bruder Tom, true – no warfare with you. We always have much to discuss and the Lord will direct us. That being said, it saddens me to see the brethren holding the view that this is a matter of freedom, as Salvageable who like you loves and serves the Lord also believes (Colossians 2:16).

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      • Danke schwester! I respect your viewpoint and once shared it but no longer. Yes, we’ve disagreed on a few things in the past (and agreed on many more) but our salvation in Jesus Christ is our bond that cannot be broken.

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  3. Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. J.

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  4. Hi, I read this post a few days ago and I had thoughts but I am not very good at debate. Actually, I tend to stumble over my words even when I know what I want to say-if I feel like I have to give an answer. Today I had an experience and I wrote about it on my Ordinary Faith blog. It’s not a very good blog I suppose but it is from my heart. Here is the link to what I experienced today in Japan. If it was not a good thing that I posted this here please delete it and forgive me. I’m not very wise on rules at times, most times. https://thehourisnowblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/teaching-japanese-children-about-jesus/
    I just wanted to share this with all of you. Please pray for this church. It is growing. The pastor and his wife work hard with very little -they really love the Lord.

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    • Hi, Connie! Though we disagree, I was blessed by your thoughts and meekness. I don’t want to take your comment down. Yes, we will pray for your loving presence in this church. If only this pastor and his wife would take down the image over the altar and the tree. And he used picture cards to tell the story of Jesus’ birth – will he do the same with the other events of Jesus’ life and so depict Him?

      That being said, please know that I respect you so much and can see that you are the Lord’s servant in the nation of Japan! God bless you and Mr. N!

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      • One more thought…I don’t know how much experience you have with Christianity outside of a western country…I have experience on both sides of the fence. What sticks out most to me is that sometimes westerners get “stuck” on things. It is really different living in a country like Japan where Christianity is rare. Where it is hard to be a Christian is you are Japanese because of the ridicule you endure from others around you. I know it may really be difficult for some to understand. The tree…the cross…it’s not a stumbling block here. It is truly hard to explain how insignificant it is unless you have lived and walked with the people here. It is no big thing for the Lord ..he still saves-despite.

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        • Connie, I haven’t lived outside of the U.S., however I know that the Word of God, He Who does not change and cannot lie, declares in many passages that He hates idolatry. To maintain His standard is essential. All our views are necessarily limited because we are, so we must go to God’s Word.

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  5. I forgot to say- yes, the kids learn about Jesus’s death and resurrection also- in much the same way, as well as other stories from the Bible-as much as they can grasp.

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